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Hey all, so before anyone attacks me I'm a white guy. That being said, I disagree with Professor Cromwell on the question of race. I'm not saying open borders are good either way, even though it's also a fact that very few white americans are willing to put in the work. Seriously, no disrespect but I cannot picture most white people today picking strawberries on a field. Who's gonna do all those jobs no one wants but that as a country most people could not do without?

Professor Cromwell somehow believes that more minority visibility is somehow evidence of cultural decline, but I just see it as more people finally being allowed to participate openly in society. Giving historically marginalized people a voice does not take anyone else's voice away.

I just feel like this place is so unwelcoming to non-whites in general, so anyone who is Black, Asian, Latino, Indigenous, immigrant or whatever and has felt unwelcome here, I feel those of us who don't agree with him on race should make our voice heard and make this place more welcoming. Maybe Im too naive as he'd say, but I really believe that with more dialogue and unity we could do more things.

I hope my post is not removed and I mean NO disrespect to Cromwell or staff. Professor Cromwell himself has repeatedly said that this is the only forum in the world with no censorship, so I want to see how true that is. I just really think its a discussion worth having. Not all non-whites are "far left" or "woke" by the way.

Thanks for reading.

justcruising wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 6:16 am I'm not saying open borders are good either way, even though it's also a fact that very few white americans are willing to put in the work. Seriously, no disrespect but I cannot picture most white people today picking strawberries on a field. Who's gonna do all those jobs no one wants but that as a country most people could not do without?

I strongly disagree. If wages rise enough, or heaven forbid kept up with the rate of inflation, then Americans, including White Americans, would work those jobs.

justcruising wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 6:16 am Professor Cromwell somehow believes that more minority visibility is somehow evidence of cultural decline, but I just see it as more people finally being allowed to participate openly in society. Giving historically marginalized people a voice does not take anyone else's voice away.

Historically, and relatively recently, this country was close to 90% white. More non-white people are visible because there are more non-white people.

justcruising wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 6:16 am I just feel like this place is so unwelcoming to non-whites in general, so anyone who is Black, Asian, Latino, Indigenous, immigrant or whatever and has felt unwelcome here, I feel those of us who don't agree with him on race should make our voice heard and make this place more welcoming.

I strongly disagree. People should express themselves authentically. If they don't like Blacks, Latinos, Asians or Indians, then they shouldn't censor themselves. If a non-White person is too fragile to read someone's rant, then they can go to the many, many organizations that specifically cater to their ethnic group.

That being said, there is disliking and there is hating. Christians should not hate a particular person or group of people.

justcruising wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 6:16 am Not all non-whites are "far left" or "woke" by the way.

That really doesn't matter to me much. A person's politics can change, but a person cannot change where they were born or who is part of their family. Outside of extenuating circumstances, people don't change their character either. I care more about the immutable aspects of a person than their political leaning.

Are you sure white Americans would work those jobs even with salary increases? Let's say that were true, but then wouldnt that make the price of produce and other foods absolutely unaffordable for most Americans?

As for censorship, I don't disagree with that, all I'm saying is that I don't share that view so strictly like he and others here seem to. Like I get that illegal immigration is a problem but I also don't think America was some paradise even when it was white.

justcruising wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 3:18 pm Are you sure white Americans would work those jobs even with salary increases? Let's say that were true, but then wouldnt that make the price of produce and other foods absolutely unaffordable for most Americans?

Prices could increase and fruit picking machines already exist. The most likely scenario would be the industry getting completely automated in North America. Keep in mind that prices have already increased despite cheap agricultural labor because retailers and wholesalers have colluded to raise grocery prices.

Construction is actually the industry I think that would be most impacted by removing illegals, but I think paying blue collar workers more would actually raise wages across the board.

justcruising wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 3:18 pm As for censorship, I don't disagree with that, all I'm saying is that I don't share that view so strictly like he and others here seem to. Like I get that illegal immigration is a problem but I also don't think America was some paradise even when it was white.

Yes I agree that hypothetically if there weren't changing demographics there would still be problems. We'd still have the problems from Nixon getting off the gold standard and the subsequent explosion of money/debt. De-industrialization, the dissolution of the nuclear family, the opioid crisis, militant feminism, the explosion of college debt and the never-ending foreign wars are independent of migration. That being said, immigration (both legal and illegal) has suppressed wages, increased the cost of housing and changed the character of American cities and suburbs, so I cannot ignore it as a problem. I strongly suspect that immigration has also affected birth rates through the increased cost of housing.

When thinking of about it, an analogy comes to mind. Let's say there's a Basketball game and a player on one team shoves the player on the opposite team. Further imagine the referee calls a fowl on the player that was shoved. Let's think about possible reactions. You could be angry at the person that shoved the player, you could be angry at the referee for making a bad call, etc. In terms of the immigration debate, what I'm hearing from a lot of people is anger at the referee but excusing the player that was doing the shoving.

Yes, I'm aware this isn't a perfect analogy (shoving is not the same as undercutting wages or replacing workers), but it's the closest I can come up with at the moment.

I have no sympathy for legal or illegal immigrants not feeling welcome.

However, I do feel some sympathy for their children. I think there's an acronym "ABCD" which stands for American Born Confused Desi. These are Indian children, born in America that will never be accepted as an American and will never be accepted as an Indian. I think there's a similar thing with American born Chinese. These are groups that won't truly fit in with their ancestral culture, but cannot assimilate into Western culture.

I'll tell you all what the true, genuine, and original definition of racism is (before that term got bastardized by the Leftists): "a belief that the very concept of race is biologically real and biologically objective, and is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." Don't fall for that bastardized leftist definition which claims that racism is prejudice plus power. St. Augustine warned that it is necessary, especially in matters of faith and morals, to use language only according to a fixed rule; and a medieval theologian named Jean Gerson, the chancellor of the University of Paris, warned that there can hardly be a more efficient method of causing knowledge to be corrupted than by departing from this rule. Jean Gerson, Letter 3, 1400: "The terms used by the holy fathers are changed, in opposition to Augustine’s saying that it is necessary for us to use language in accord with a fixed rule. Corruption of any type of knowledge can hardly come about more quickly than through this new method. Through these teachings, theologians [who use this new method] are ridiculed by the other faculties. For they then are called dreamers and are said to know nothing about solid truth and morals and the Bible. Through these teachings, numberless paths to error are opened. For theologians speak and make up for themselves at will terms that other doctors and masters neither understand nor have any interest in understanding. They say the most unbelievable and absurd things, which are said to follow from the senseless fictions. Through these teachings, the Church and faith are neither strengthened on the inside nor the outside. Such teachings instead give opportunities for believing that God is not at all simple." See also: viewtopic.php?p=362#p362.

I totally disagree with OP. Every time someone defends white people, why are they immediately insulted and labelled racist? Every other race gets away with defending their people except us. I 100% LOVE, f-ing love Cromwell that he doesn't give a shit about being labelled racist. He speaks for many of us and what we feel, but are not nearly as articulate enough to spell it out.

I can´t think of anyone else right now on youtube with few exceptions of people actually defending working class white people to the extent Cromwell does. How many people like him do you know creating scholarships for us, and trying to help rural America? Nah OP you got this so wrong and backwards. Stop pandering to those people, because at the end of the day no matter what you do, they´ll always see you as the racist white guy. It´s never enough for them, and many of us are just tired of this bs.

Also I´m not sure what relevance it has that not all non whites are woke lol. So?? A totally white country, even with woke types, would be far safer than the crap we have today. The fact is people who are not white are far more likely to commit crimes, for example.